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Hi guys. Im a rider of several years and currently ride a Hayabusa. Im sure you are all aware of the CTP rip off that will hurt young 250 and scooter rider's the most. But any rider thinking it wont afect them is wrong it will start with you guys and move up to larger bikes. Screwing all younger riders as the move on from 250's to larger bike's. Well what can you do? Whinge and do nothing or complain. Here is a letter I am trying to get on as many forums as possible. You only need to change a few things Name, type of bike etc. And email it to the head of the nsw govt, Head of the nsw opposition, all of the smaller independant parties, your local member and the MAA Fax the MAA too.
Here is some contacts

MAA Minister responsible fro CTP rises.
Special Minister For State
Eric Roozendaal
Phone 9228 3535
Fax 9228 4469

Barry O’Farrell
Opposition Leader
9487 8588
[email protected]

Dont forget the other parties. I would suggest emailing all of the relevant people twice and sending a hard copy to all as well. It may seem like a long shot but you guys are getting screwed the most. Get all of your riding buddies on board. Remember be polite we want to look like a profesional bunch of road users with a legitimate claim.
Tim


Dear (insert name)
I am writing to you to bring your attention to the outrageous rise in CTP green slips for Motor Cycles. I am a (insert political affiliation) voter, but my vote will be going to who ever will stand up and fight for the right of motor cyclists in NSW.
I ride a (insert type (scooter,cruiser, sprorts bike) and cc).We are charged the same tolls as cars, yet we take up less than ¼ space of a normal car, we produce fewer emissions, cause less damage to roads and do not add to road congestion.
The argument for the rise in CTP’s will of course be that younger riders contribute to a larger proportion of accidents. Well if the government were concerned about trying to fix this problem they would be looking at subsidised training courses. Not gauging young rider’s pockets by over 50% more. Of course the government will say it’s not up to them and they don’t get any money out of it. GST! The NSW Government gets it’s cut of the GST every year so it is in there best interests to carry on letting the insurance companies ripping of NSW riders.
The rise in new riders and scooter riders due to rising fuel costs and inner city congestion and people wanting to lower there carbon footprint will of course now be offset by a 50% increase in the CTP. NSW has to change the way CTP is run. I can enter my details into any of the seven companies that offer CTP’s with my details and the price difference can be up to $400. How is that possible? And quite often the cheap company this year will be the most expensive one next year.
Other states such as TAS, SA, ACT, WA and VIC have rates set by the state and they are across the board, not some number that the insurance companies come up with this year. In fact the average price for a CTP from TAS, SA and ACT is around $400 for a bike over 250 and VIC and WA average around $100. I think after years of being ripped of for CTP this is the last straw.

Yours Sincerely
(Insert your Name)

http://www.treasury.act.gov.au/compulsorytpi/NRMAInsuranceCTPPremiumsApril2010.pdf
http://www.transport.tas.gov.au/fees/calculation_of_fees_-_motorcycles#2
http://www.transport.wa.gov.au/licensing/paymentoptions/1431.asp
http://www.sa.gov.au/upload/franchise/Transport,%20travel%20and%20motoring/Motoring/documents/CTP_Premium_%20mr85.PDF
http://www.tac.vic.gov.au/upload/TAC_WebRates2009.pdf
 

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Very well thought out post... with lots of important info!

Does this apply to QLD as well? we haven't seen any CTP rises up here as far as I can recall.
 

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This a NSW problem at the moment. Down here we pay some of the most expensive rego, road tolls and this CTP is the last straw as far as Im concerned. The NSW govt put a congestion charge on the Syd harbour bridge recently claiming it would limit the traffic in the city. If they were really concerned about traffic congestion bikes and scooters would not be charged a single road toll. Rego and CTP would be cheap and there would be plenty of free parking in the city. Just have a look at Melb bike parking.[hr]
Oh and no one was warned about the rise in CTP. I found out a few days ago from another forum.[hr]
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/costs-driving-motorbikes-riders-off-the-road/story-e6frezz0-1225884438014
 

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good work
i've already emailed some people but with no replies

i talked about how young riders would be spending more on ctp and less on gear, thus increasing chances of major damage
also how my dad with a 3 month suspension and 5 or 6 demerit points still pays less than me for ctp
how can i do more damage with a bike than a bad driver?
 

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Its a rip off and younger/newer riders will bear the brunt. I dont think its fair and you guys definatley shouldnt think its fair. As I said lets all get pissed of and make our voices heard and our votes count!
 

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Dear (insert name of politician),
I am writing to you to bring your attention to the outrageous rise in Compulsory Third Party Insurance (CTP or green slips) for motor cycles. I am a (insert political affiliation) voter, however my vote will be going to whoever will stand up and be a voice for the significant voting number of motor cyclists in NSW.
I ride a (insert type (scooter,cruiser, sprorts bike) and cc). I am charged the same toll(s) as a normal car, yet I take up less than one quarter of the space that a normal car uses, I produce fewer emissions and cause less damage/wear and tear to NSW roads and do not add to road congestion.
The argument for the rise in CTP prices will, of course, be that younger riders contribute to a larger proportion of accidents.
Well, if the Government is indeed genuinely concerned about trying to fix this problem before it happens (rather than charging me extra to clean it up after an accident) the Government should be looking at subsidising a greater variety of rider training courses, rather than gauging young rider’s by increasing CTP by over 50%.
Of course, the Government can say it is not up to them and they do not get any financial benefit from the increases in CTP prices. To this, I would like to comment on GST! The NSW Government receives a share of the GST collected every year. This extra GST seems to make it in their best interest to turn a blind eye to insurance companies ripping off NSW riders.
The increase in new riders and scooter riders due to rising fuel costs, inner city congestion and environmentally aware voters wanting to lower their carbon footprint will inevitably be hindered by this proposed 50% increase in the CTP prices.
NSW has to change the way CTP is administered. If I lodge my details to any of the seven companies that offer CTP in NSW, the variety of prices has a differential range up to c.$400. How does this make sense for an insurance policy that is mandatory and required through legislation?
To compound the confusion, quite often the cheaper companies this year will be the most expensive companies the following year making the administration of this regime even more confusing/frustrating.
Other states such as TAS, SA, ACT, WA and VIC have rates which are set by their State Government and they are consistent across the board. In contrast to the NSW regime where some blackbox number is decided by the insurance companies in any given year.
In fact, the average CTP price for a motor cycle with an engine capacity over 250cc in TAS, SA and ACT is c.$400 and in VIC and WA an average c.$100. I think after years of being ripped off for CTP this recent development will be the last straw in terms of my vote.

Yours Sincerely,
(Insert your Name)

http://www.treasury.act.gov.au/compulsorytpi/NRMAInsuranceCTPPremiumsApril2010.pdf
http://www.transport.tas.gov.au/fees/calculation_of_fees_-_motorcycles#2
http://www.transport.wa.gov.au/licensing/paymentoptions/1431.asp
http://www.sa.gov.au/upload/franchise/Transport,%20travel%20and%20motoring/Motoring/documents/CTP_Premium_%20mr85.PDF
http://www.tac.vic.gov.au/upload/TAC_WebRates2009.pdf

Had a quick go at re-drafting this letter, there may be some more tweaking need. Hope it helps. Someone might want to have a go at re-drafting my quickly completed version.
We should push this to a point where it can be distributed very widely, it would be great if the same letter made it's way around the political circles.
We might want to add:
- average price for NSW CTP to compare against other states
- a list of subsidised rider training courses in other states vs. NSW
- the number of voting riders in NSW
 

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PL9v193n8Q8[hr]
Lodge a submission here against the CTP rise.

http://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/prod/web/submissions.nsf/Submission?OpenForm&ParentUNID=AF7A8A47C938F55DCA2577270022B2EC&House=LA
 

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Well my submission is in. Come on guys send them in. Your the ones who have the most to loose. 8mycat mcc of nsw next meeting better than a protest ride.
Monday 7:30pm, July 5th, 2010

Normally, first Monday of the month, but not on a Public Holiday Monday, so it moves forward to the second Monday

Meeting Venue

Meetings are conducted at Ryde Ex-Services Club (Bowling clubrooms)

724 Victoria Rd, Ryde, NSW 2112
(02) 9807 3599
 

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Dear Yohan

Thank you for your recent correspondence regarding the increase in Compulsory Third Party (CTP) premium increases for motorcycle registration in New South Wales.

The Committee will not be considering this issue as part of its Vulnerable Road Users Inquiry, but notes your concerns and will ensure that Members are made aware of the points you have raised, for future consideration.

Should the Committee require any further information the Secretariat will contact you.

Yours sincerely

Alexis Steffen
Committee Officer
Parliament of New South Wales
Macquarie Street
SYDNEY NSW 2000
( (02) 9230 2632
Ê (02) 9230 3309
* [email protected]
8 www.parliament.nsw.gov.au
can everyone lodge a submission?
10-20 wont make a difference
but over 1000 will
 

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send emails to [email protected] with the title ‘Attention: Manager, Insurer Licensing & Performance’

i've already sent a mail, but 5 or 10 mails wont really make a difference
everyone needs to start sending mails, just so that government realises the sheer number of frustrated riders

also include your postal address, coz apparently they'll reply by post
 

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Did mine. Forgot to put my address in so I emailed them again! Dont forget guys email the premier, opp leader, roads minister, opp roads minister, the MAA and your local member. You can also email people like merrick watts (he"s a bike nut) and other people. You can sit on your ass and whinge how unfair this is or you can do your part and make evry one know your angry. Guys they are fucking you the hardest! Send your emails be heard. I know its not cool to be political these days and young people have the "thay wont listen anyway" attitude but political parties want to be in Government! YOU vote them in. Tell them that your not happy. Tell them what you want. If you dont you run the risk of paying through your ass! Come on guys be heard, make a difference!
 

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yeah im with you mate
this change affects young riders on 250s the most
coz we'll have to dish out 85% extra
the fuckers, think they can charge whatever and get away with it

let me know how you go on the 5th
 

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Too true man!
I shall. Oh and nice post on the fb site!
Come on young riders let the pollies know what you think! When its too late you cant get angry. You let them do it. Get involved guys!
 
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