[pOint_01]

After the trackday on monday and having rear slide out on T2, i think its time for tyre warmers...

can anyone suggest me some good ones...have been looking at Kaneg of course...but also came across these....

http://www.tyrsox.net/

but these ones arnt digital...

there was another brand i know wich i really good but cant remember the name?

 

[nbh00d]

Most of the cheaper ones are made in China and different company just put their names on themselves. Although the Kaneg ones are made in China they seems to be fine and Kaneg is a trusted brand with 12 months warranty. The non-digital ones were on special for $310 but now back on $399. I'm also looking into tyre warmers as it's too damn cold and extend tyre life will worth the initial investment on the tyre warmers. I did some research and found a guy selling genuine UK made tyre warmers for $299 include express postage to Sydney. I will order a pair pretty soon as let me know if you want to buy as well so we might can get some discount. Digital ones are more for specific settings on race tyres, rain tyres, weather conditon but for us track day riders we don't really need it.
Here is the link:
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Tyre-warmers-motor-bike-gsx-zxr-cbr-r1-r6-rs-tz-race-/200487627550?cmd=ViewItem&pt=AU_Motorcycle_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2eadfe6b1e[hr]
by the way the Tyrsox tyre warmers look pretty decent but are they made in USA? I wonder is there any discount for group buy and can we pick them up since he's from Sydney as well.

 

[pOint_01]

im gonna wait for a few more replies then make a decision...im def in for a GB![hr]

ok...these r the ones that are meant to be pretty good:-

http://www.sportsbike.com.au/tire_warmers_evolution_detail.htm

but pretty expensive!

 

[dayeve]

How did anyone not crash before tyre warmers?

 

[mitch179]

I wouldn't bother with them unless you run or intend to run slicks or a tyre like supercorsas or 003's, even then not entirely necessary but will extend the tyre life a lot!

If you just have a regular road tyre like powers or something just take it easy for a few laps, they get up to temp pretty quick!

 

[dayeve]

^im with stupid.

 

[pOint_01]

well...i did that and it still slipped out...i was on the 4th lap...but then again it was way cold that day....but still!!!

 

[slojo]

I've got the Kaneg ones, missus bought them for me as a Christmas pressie, they seem to be alright, I've only used them with Pilot Powers but they certainly don't hurt, and it saves having to go easy on the first lap or two (or 4) each session.

 

[richo]

I've got Sportsbike and they aren't amazing (rear failed).

I'm probably going to buy a set of emtek's to get me through the year because they'll do them dirt cheap for racers but KLS or Bandit will be my next set for sure.

Last race prac a dude showed me a set of Bandit's he bought second hand from an SBK team 9 years ago that were still going strong!!

 

[sir.b]

Not saying it wasn't cold tyres that caused the slide, but what makes you think it was?

Justin.

 

[crazylegs]

if you know someone handy with a sewing machine you can make some from an electric blanket.
my step mum made some for my dad when used to race and they were great, cheap and they got very very hot, and lasted for about 3-4 years.
and they didnt look any different from bought ones either.
just got a few laughs when ppl notice the electric blanket switch with the 3 settings on them. lol

 

[richo]

if you know someone handy with a sewing machine you can make some from an electric blanket.
my step mum made some for my dad when used to race and they were great, cheap and they got very very hot, and lasted for about 3-4 years.
and they didnt look any different from bought ones either.
just got a few laughs when ppl notice the electric blanket switch with the 3 settings on them. lol

I wouldn't take the gamble.. fucking a set of tyres isn't cheap, having a stack because of a cold rear (trust me- it's really not fun to discover during your tip in to T1 that your back tyre is ice cold) is REALLY expensive.

Just buy a good pair and be done with it. Would you make your own tyres because it's cheap?

 

[Cerberus]

well...i did that and it still slipped out...i was on the 4th lap...but then again it was way cold that day....but still!!!

mate, tyre warmers wont help you with that. if you havent got heat in tyres by lap 4, heat from the tyre warmers will be gone by then...
if you are using road tyres tyre warmers are a waste of time i would say.

what pressures were you running? what tyres?

give me a call if you want to have a chat about it cos i dont think tyre warmers will solve your problem here so best adress the actual problem

 

[MatchTheClown]

Sounds like you need to learn trottle control.

 

[pOint_01]

hmm..nah it wasnt throttle either....pressure in the front was 30 and rear was 34...im running 190/55 in the back...

it was on T2, knee was dragging....more then 1/2 the turn was completed and the the rear slid....not a huge amount but enough for the bike to stand up....[hr]
thinking about it, could have been lap 3

 

[Cerberus]

hmm..nah it wasnt throttle either....pressure in the front was 30 and rear was 34...im running 190/55 in the back...

it was on T2, knee was dragging....more then 1/2 the turn was completed and the the rear slid....not a huge amount but enough for the bike to stand up....[hr]
thinking about it, could have been lap 3

ok two causes there already...
34 rear is too high.. try F30/R30. rear heats up way more than the front and will build up in pressure causing the tyre to baloon and decrease contact patch at lean so 34 is too high for the rear. what tyres were they?


also T2 is just slippery and off camber on the exit. if its at the exit of the turn if you are closer that 0.5 to the ripple strip there is a bump that will unsettle the bike and cause it to slide.. i had the back step out over the bump with tyres way up to the temp so again.. tyre warmers wont help.

 

[pOint_01]

hmm..nah it wasnt throttle either....pressure in the front was 30 and rear was 34...im running 190/55 in the back...

it was on T2, knee was dragging....more then 1/2 the turn was completed and the the rear slid....not a huge amount but enough for the bike to stand up....[hr]
thinking about it, could have been lap 3

ok two causes there already...
34 rear is too high.. try F30/R30. rear heats up way more than the front and will build up in pressure causing the tyre to baloon and decrease contact patch at lean so 34 is too high for the rear. what tyres were they?


also T2 is just slippery and off camber on the exit. if its at the exit of the turn if you are closer that 0.5 to the ripple strip there is a bump that will unsettle the bike and cause it to slide.. i had the back step out over the bump with tyres way up to the temp so again.. tyre warmers wont help.

ahhhh sweeet!!!!! thanx adam!!! im running pilot powers...

i dont remember going over the ripple strip at the time...could be possible tho as the ripple size starts to decrease at that section so i didnt feel it....but yes....im thinking it might be tyre pressure now!!!

but maybe i should still invest in some warmers anyways....

richo...can you hook us up?!

 

[Cerberus]

^^ you dont need to run over the ripple.. just near it.. the bump is in the bitumen.. its a very slippery part of the track..

while you CAN invest in some tyre warmers mate.. (and pls dont be offended) dont.. spend the $$$ on superbike school course. you will get much longer lasting benefit from it in your riding while atm warmers will be something else to fuck around with at the track.. trust me.. putting them on and off gets tiring and PP's heat up way fast on their own. i was usually kneedown by turn 4 at ec first lap.

that said if yo uhave $400 just laying around doing nothing.. you should have paid me more for the forks yo tight ass!!!! hehe

 

[pOint_01]

^^ you dont need to run over the ripple.. just near it.. the bump is in the bitumen.. its a very slippery part of the track..

while you CAN invest in some tyre warmers mate.. (and pls dont be offended) dont.. spend the $$$ on superbike school course. you will get much longer lasting benefit from it in your riding while atm warmers will be something else to fuck around with at the track.. trust me.. putting them on and off gets tiring and PP's heat up way fast on their own. i was usually kneedown by turn 4 at ec first lap.

that said if yo uhave $400 just laying around doing nothing.. you should have paid me more for the forks yo tight ass!!!! hehe

highly offended!!! i acctually dont have $400 lying around tho...was thinking of getting them b4 next trackday in october...

about those forks...day be not ohlins!

 

[Cerberus]

lol i never said they were.. just the box was hahah.. its anyone guess what jimmy (zeno) put in there haha but they worked well (for me anyway)

trust me mate.. go do a ride/race school.. it will pay off way more in the long run than warmers at this stage of your riding